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MadScientistMatt
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posted 04-05-2003 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MadScientistMatt   Click Here to Email MadScientistMatt     Edit/Delete Message
Probably just a few more weeks until it's ready to crank it over and see what happens!

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squeek360
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posted 04-05-2003 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for squeek360   Click Here to Email squeek360     Edit/Delete Message
cool , always exciting getting so close to vroom vroom day

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87Slant_sickness
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posted 04-06-2003 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 87Slant_sickness   Click Here to Email 87Slant_sickness     Edit/Delete Message
i can tell ya what happens, VROOM *whistle* VROOOM *whistle*

then of course KA-BLEWY

Sounds and looks sweet, so your gonna post all that ya did and all your "Secrets" on here for the rest of is right??

Justin

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Thropar
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posted 04-06-2003 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thropar   Click Here to Email Thropar     Edit/Delete Message
that looks like fun... ! please fill us in on the details ! another write up would be really cool to read..

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Tim Keith
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posted 04-08-2003 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tim Keith     Edit/Delete Message
There is an article on a turbo'd GM Quad Four in Hot Rod which claims to achieve 625 hp and is driven on the street. Let's see the details on your slant six!

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RONCOT
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posted 04-08-2003 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RONCOT   Click Here to Email RONCOT     Edit/Delete Message
COOOOL,
I gota get me one of them for the Cortez

Good luck.
Ron

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MadScientistMatt
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posted 04-10-2003 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MadScientistMatt   Click Here to Email MadScientistMatt     Edit/Delete Message
I'm definitely going to write an article on the buildup once it's complete. I've even had one local guy express some measure of interest in helping a friend make his own turbo slant buildup, so it's possible I may do some work towards building a conversion that incorporates some of the lessons I've learned from this one. I'll keep you guys posted on those developments if and when they happen.

Right now, though, I'll post the basic details of the conversion as it stands.

The turbo and exhaust manifold are the exact same ones seen in Wayne's turbo article on slantsix.org - I bought them from him a year ago. The intake manifold is an Offenhauser one with a 390 cfm mechanical secondary Holley 4160. The carb has had some prep work done before I got it, including an air sealed throttle shaft and the choke tower milled off. I am running a Summit 18 psi electric fuel pump, mounted behind the back seat, and a Holley fuel pressure regulator I have tweaked to incease fuel pressure with the boost pressure.

Tying it all together has been more of a headache than collecting and bolting on the main parts. The water inlet line proved to be a pain to attach - it's finally using 3/16" copper hard line attached to a 2 1/2" pipe nipple on the turbo so I could get a wrench on it. The other end runs to a heater hose line. The outlet was a lot easier - I have an Aspen radiator in there that had a smog gizmo on the upper tank that I replaced with a hose barb and ran the coolant return to it. The turbo is supplied oil from the oil pressure sender, and the oil currently returns to a pipe fitting screwed into a hole I drilled in the crankcase. This may be a bit iffy - I'll have to see if the oil flows well here (the hose is a bit bent, but all downhill) or if I need a fitting in the oil pan instead.

The exhaust also proved to be a pain - I put it together from parts store bends, flex-pipe, a Thrush glasspack, and clamps. To get something that would bend tightly enough to clear the Pitman arm, I had to dent an exhaust elbow, cut off the slip fitting, and use a very short length of flex pipe to hold it to the stub of the OEM turbo exhaust downpipe. From there on, it was relatively straightforward, particularly since it's a side exit setup.

Also, it has three extra gauges to keep an eye on things - a large tach, an air/fuel ratio gauge, and a boost gauge. They're all sitting on the dash where the center speaker used to be.

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gsnort
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posted 04-11-2003 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gsnort   Click Here to Email gsnort     Edit/Delete Message
Mad scientists are always in demand when it comes to hot rods.

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87Slant_sickness
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posted 04-11-2003 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 87Slant_sickness   Click Here to Email 87Slant_sickness     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Matt,

if you need anything just shoot me an email, i was fooling with a 2.2L setup (i almost completed just needed to fire it up but it was on a junk engine) but now i decided i want to go N/A.

In the future if i get a car i want to do a twin turbo setup (say around a 1.9L ford turbo from an escort) through intercoolers etc.

Later
Justin

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blue195
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posted 04-19-2003 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue195   Click Here to Email blue195     Edit/Delete Message
Justin, I'd re-think that twin turbo setup. Sure, they'll spool up faster and all, but either you'll have a lot of low end torque or you'll blow the rods out of the block. A turbo for a 1.9 is gonna have the wrong aspect ratio for what you're wanting to do with it. Two of them will not equal one for a 3.8 liter. It will just be a pair of flow restrictions, cause a lot of heat, and be a real pain to get to distribute fuel evenly. I'd go with one for a GM 3.8 for the street.

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87Slant_sickness
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posted 04-19-2003 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 87Slant_sickness   Click Here to Email 87Slant_sickness     Edit/Delete Message
Hey,

I'm thinking it MAY work, i'd be using twin BBD's on a split intake manifold and one turbo running oneside, and one turbo running the other side.

I'd go with the 3.8L GM setup but i kinda wanna run a turbo on a stock bottom end and make 250+hp doing it and make the engine daily drivin safe. But i just simply DO NOT like the idea of a draw through setup, blow through with intercoolers is the way to go for me

thanks for the input! I think we may have to think/discuss this some more!

Justin

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MadScientistMatt
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posted 04-19-2003 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MadScientistMatt   Click Here to Email MadScientistMatt     Edit/Delete Message
Blue, if the 1.9's have about the same RPM range and VE as a slant and were decently well matched to the engine, two of their turbos running in parallel would be just about perfect for a slant six. Double the size at the same RPM, and you'll need double the airflow requirements. If you run a Dutra Dual type setup with a turbo on each manifold and blow both through a single carb, I don't see why it shouldn't work - in fact, it's probably a better match than the setup I have.

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87Slant_sickness
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posted 04-20-2003 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 87Slant_sickness   Click Here to Email 87Slant_sickness     Edit/Delete Message
so far i have the turbo's with all the goodies and the home made manifold, i've had it bolted up 1 time only just to check the fit of the manifold with turbo's, then took it back off. I really only need the intake and to do all the plumbing on this, as well as make a carb linkage. But any intake costs $$$!

maybe i'll try it out on the aspen, i figured the 1.9L ford exscort rev's to around 7000RPM and is a good turbo setup, 1/2 of 3.7 is around 1.8something.

just some thought

Justin

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MadScientistMatt
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posted 05-04-2003 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MadScientistMatt   Click Here to Email MadScientistMatt     Edit/Delete Message
Well, yesterday, I got it to crank over and idle and rev a few times in Park. No leaks or oiling system problems observed. A road test will have to wait until I get longer rear wheel studs, and hopefully figure out why the MSD BTM isn't working. So right now the engine seems to be running OK but I haven't got into the boost yet.

BTW, the exhaust note really sounds pretty obnoxious with the Thrush glasspack on there. The fact that I started it in a garage probably made it worse.

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87Slant_sickness
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posted 05-05-2003 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 87Slant_sickness   Click Here to Email 87Slant_sickness     Edit/Delete Message
!!!

Waiting on that article man!! keep me updated, for i'm leaning towards a turbo more and more

Justin

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gsnort
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posted 05-20-2003 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gsnort   Click Here to Email gsnort     Edit/Delete Message
You ain't mad, Matt. You're absolutely craaaaaaaaazy. Got to respect folks on the edge. And you're on the edge, all right.

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64-VALIANTDROPTOP
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posted 06-20-2003 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 64-VALIANTDROPTOP   Click Here to Email 64-VALIANTDROPTOP     Edit/Delete Message
You should look at doing an alky inj system so you can run higher boost and not detonate.

http://home.att.net/~stevemon/AlcoholInjMod.html

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posted 06-20-2003 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 64-VALIANTDROPTOP   Click Here to Email 64-VALIANTDROPTOP     Edit/Delete Message
I am considering doing a turbo on mine also but I will probably do a draw thru instead of a blow thru. I am definetly going to run a alky syst on mine. I plan to get one for my 86 Buick T-Type in the near future. All of the Buick guys swear by them. High boost, high timing, no detonation, keeps top end steam cleaned, all this on pump gas!

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Charrlie_S
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posted 06-21-2003 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charrlie_S   Click Here to Email Charrlie_S     Edit/Delete Message
Mat, What problem are you having with the BTM? I got my turbo system reinstalled for the Bristol slant six race. Had trouble with my BTM, and had to run without it. Had to keep the boost down to 7 lbs and the timing at 16 degrees total. Needless to say, it wasn't very quick. When I hooked up my BTM my timing mark was bouncing around, ant the tach was reading high and bouncing around.
Called Autotronics tech, they said I need a tach adapter. Yeah, Right. My tach runs off the MSD6a thah terminal, and is correct, except, when I connect the BTM between the distributer and the 6a box.

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Charlie
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